Is there going to be alot of ebaying in guild wars? - Guild Wars Forums

pulse62 · Apr 07, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36

You know, since guild wars is being published by NCsoft and NCsoft lets ebaying run rampant, i guess we can expect alot of ebaying going on in guild wars. ive basically given up my vendetta against ebaying, its all over games now. and I guess ill have to spend 30 bucks in guild wars to get anywhere in the game. But all is well, guild wars is a very fun game and i guess you make up for the spent money ebaying by having no monthly fee, right?

Soiled Egg Roll · Apr 07, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Since Arena.net said their will be no "Uber" items, I don't think there will be too much ebaying. People will still do it, but soon they'll find out that it's not worth it. Arena.net has stated that they want to make a game that valued skill over time played, meaning they shouldn't have some "Super Atomic Bomb Sword" that only people who have played 999 hours can obtain.

Kityn · Apr 07, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

GW is Arenanets baby.I really don't think ebaying will be rampant as it is with other games.

Ensign · Apr 07, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58

I see ebay having a lesser, but still significant role in Guild Wars than other games. There are still top notch, hard to find rares in the game, and as long as that's the case such items will have a noteworthy cash value.

The new unlocking system helps to fight this in many respects - each player has access to very good but not quite ideal weapons, which kills what would be a significant problem before it becomes one. On the other hand, it creates an ebay market for unidentified rares, particularly salvage items - I can see unidentified, rare Giant's Boots becoming a staple currency of sorts. Unlocking everything is going to be non-trivial, and people will clearly be looking for shortcuts.

How relevant this ends up being depends entirely on how scarce the top notch stuff ends up being. I have the feeling that the economy is going to be a work in progress up until and even after release. So I'll reserve judgement on the significance of ebay until I see what things look like in retail.

Peace,
-CxE

Zfactor · Apr 07, 2005, 01:11 AM // 01:11

There is no such thing as a game with no "uber" drops. The most rare drop is by nature the uber drop.

Dreamsmith · Apr 07, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Zfactor

There is no such thing as a game with no "uber" drops. The most rare drop is by nature the uber drop.

No, it's just the rarest drop. Demon Machine was a rarer drop in D2 than Buriza, but no one would say it was more uber. Uber has little if anything to do with rarity...

Lansing Kai Don · Apr 07, 2005, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

No, it's just the rarest drop. Demon Machine was a rarer drop in D2 than Buriza, but no one would say it was more uber. Uber has little if anything to do with rarity...

I agree Dreamsmith

uber:
The ultimate, above all, the best, top, something that nothing is better than

From urban dictionary, we're using it in the ultimate sense:

There are no real ultimate weapons in this game for example.

Lansing Kai Don

P.S. Instead of posting again, yes, taranis I did. But I think we use it differently for games (like dawg doesn't mean dog necessarily). I guess if you want to use it as over (say over), or if you want to use it as rare (say rare), but if you want to use it instead of Ultimate Beyond Even Recognition... then use uber to shorten it up a bit.

Taranis · Apr 07, 2005, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Do you guys even know that "??ber" is german and means Over?? Every MMORPG(yet CORPG) got ebay'ers, even if they're just selling accounts...

Dreamsmith · Apr 07, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Taranis

Do you guys even know that "??ber" is german and means Over??

Yes, sort of. A lot of words in different languages have overlapping meanings but also cover areas that other doesn't. It's almost never as simple as "X in some language means Y in English". That's why the fish often delivers very funny webpage translations. Words just don't translate between languages that cleanly.

"Uber" can mean "over" and often does, but it can sometimes mean other things that would be better translated into English as some other word. The canonical example of this is Nietzsche's "ubermench", which would literally translate as "overman" but is often more understandably translated into English as "superman", which better captures the meaning (although unfortunately destroys the wonderful wordplay, puns and double entendres in Nietzsche's original text based on the different meanings of uber).

In the context of how "uber" is used by gamers, it's the "superior" meaning of "uber", not the "above" or "over" meaning.

Xellos · Apr 07, 2005, 02:37 AM // 02:37

My rare axe has +1 energy on hit, but only -20 health. Uber right there for you.

Weezer_Blue · Apr 07, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

30 bucks to keep competitive? Nope. Let the other losers waist their money. I'll buy it in Lions Arch or I'll find it for myself.

Scizor · Apr 07, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

30 bucks to keep competitive? Nope. Let the other losers waist their money. I'll buy it in Lions Arch or I'll find it for myself.

Thats the way to be. Pure and Simple OWNAGE!

Xellos · Apr 07, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I doubt uber items can be just "found" or "sold" to you. They are uber for a reason.

Inde · Apr 07, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

As it stands, the demand to shortcut time and simply buy you way up [items, armor, even characters] is always there, and many do it. The simple question is how effective can a company be in combatting it?

Weezer_Blue · Apr 07, 2005, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Xellos

I doubt uber items can be just "found" or "sold" to you. They are uber for a reason.

So in other words, without E-Baying, no one ever gets a hold of an "??ber" item? Anyone can tell you that you could run riverside for a couple hours with your guildies and easily pick up some very decent weaponry. Whether it's ??ber or not? That depends on what you equip it with. Any decent bow with a Zealous String is ??ber in my oppinion.

Daemon · Apr 07, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Guaranteed, it is absolutely, most definitely, obviously going to happen. Heck, who would have thought Britney Spears' gum would go for 10k? But that's not what's in question. We all know it's going to happen. What we don't know is the degree. We know it will be low, as tradition is not the path Guild Wars follows, but how low and how pronounced remains to be seen. Perhaps it's best to not concern yourself with it's fecklessness and just enjoy the game for what it is, and will be.

Lunarhound · Apr 07, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

I can see certain types of people wanting to buy accounts that already have lots of weapons and skills unlocked. We already know there are plenty of players that want to avoid PvE altogether, and an account with nearly all the rare weapons and skills for an entire chapter (or two, or three) may be worth some money to someone like that, particularly since the lack of a monthly fee means it'd be a one-time cost.

Does this bother me a lot? In principle, yes, it disgusts me. But I'm not overly concerned about it ruining the game. These people won't be more powerful than anyone else, and they certainly won't be more skilled so it won't really throw the balance off. If anything, they'll just look like idiots and there's a good chance that many of the better guilds won't accept them if it becomes known that they're playing with an ebayed account.

As for items... I can see certain well-known "cool" items like the Dragon Sword selling pretty well, since there are some people who'll want the look without the time commitment, but I doubt it'll be as much of a problem as it is in other RPG's.

Xellos · Apr 07, 2005, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue

So in other words, without E-Baying, no one ever gets a hold of an "??ber" item? Anyone can tell you that you could run riverside for a couple hours with your guildies and easily pick up some very decent weaponry. Whether it's ??ber or not? That depends on what you equip it with. Any decent bow with a Zealous String is ??ber in my oppinion.

A zealous string is rare, but by no means uber. Uber in terms of game is something that gives you a huge advantage. Zealous gives you -1 pip. My axe does not. Big fat difference. Bows are also not very good at taking advantage of zealous due to the 2.0 second shot even from a shortbow, as opposed to the sword. So no, it would not classify as uber, only in your opinion.

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As it stands, the demand to shortcut time and simply buy you way up [items, armor, even characters] is always there, and many do it. The simple question is how effective can a company be in combatting it?

That was my point.

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Does this bother me a lot? In principle, yes, it disgusts me.

Bill gates Ebays badass dragon sword, call him a loser please. He's obviously such a loser just because of a game.

Manderlock · Apr 07, 2005, 03:46 AM // 03:46

bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive.

theres a heartbeat just nothen in tha noggen, i mean come on i dont care if its the "superduper lightsaber of doom" use your money on somthing worth while

KainMagus · Apr 07, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I am sure even in a world without uber weapons, some people will want to sell and or trade things like Gold, or resourses for crafting rather than haveing to hunt for wood, ores, runes and stuff. Basically lazy ass people will be doing all the ebaying. I imagine there will be a few decent items worth trading, but never worth spending real money on.

Apr 07, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36	#1
pulse62 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	Is there going to be alot of ebaying in guild wars? You know, since guild wars is being published by NCsoft and NCsoft lets ebaying run rampant, i guess we can expect alot of ebaying going on in guild wars. ive basically given up my vendetta against ebaying, its all over games now. and I guess ill have to spend 30 bucks in guild wars to get anywhere in the game. But all is well, guild wars is a very fun game and i guess you make up for the spent money ebaying by having no monthly fee, right?

Apr 07, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58	#4
Ensign Just Plain Fluffy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Guild: Idiot Savants	I see ebay having a lesser, but still significant role in Guild Wars than other games. There are still top notch, hard to find rares in the game, and as long as that's the case such items will have a noteworthy cash value. The new unlocking system helps to fight this in many respects - each player has access to very good but not quite ideal weapons, which kills what would be a significant problem before it becomes one. On the other hand, it creates an ebay market for unidentified rares, particularly salvage items - I can see unidentified, rare Giant's Boots becoming a staple currency of sorts. Unlocking everything is going to be non-trivial, and people will clearly be looking for shortcuts. How relevant this ends up being depends entirely on how scarce the top notch stuff ends up being. I have the feeling that the economy is going to be a work in progress up until and even after release. So I'll reserve judgement on the significance of ebay until I see what things look like in retail. Peace, -CxE __________________ Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Apr 07, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43	#11
Weezer_Blue Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just a Box in a Cage Guild: Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]	30 bucks to keep competitive? Nope. Let the other losers waist their money. I'll buy it in Lions Arch or I'll find it for myself. __________________

Apr 07, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20	#17
Lunarhound Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005	I can see certain types of people wanting to buy accounts that already have lots of weapons and skills unlocked. We already know there are plenty of players that want to avoid PvE altogether, and an account with nearly all the rare weapons and skills for an entire chapter (or two, or three) may be worth some money to someone like that, particularly since the lack of a monthly fee means it'd be a one-time cost. Does this bother me a lot? In principle, yes, it disgusts me. But I'm not overly concerned about it ruining the game. These people won't be more powerful than anyone else, and they certainly won't be more skilled so it won't really throw the balance off. If anything, they'll just look like idiots and there's a good chance that many of the better guilds won't accept them if it becomes known that they're playing with an ebayed account. As for items... I can see certain well-known "cool" items like the Dragon Sword selling pretty well, since there are some people who'll want the look without the time commitment, but I doubt it'll be as much of a problem as it is in other RPG's. Last edited by Lunarhound; Apr 07, 2005 at 03:24 AM // 03:24..

Apr 07, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26	#20
KainMagus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	ebay I am sure even in a world without uber weapons, some people will want to sell and or trade things like Gold, or resourses for crafting rather than haveing to hunt for wood, ores, runes and stuff. Basically lazy ass people will be doing all the ebaying. I imagine there will be a few decent items worth trading, but never worth spending real money on.

Apr 07, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38	#2
Soiled Egg Roll Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ripon, Wisconsin Guild: IVEX Profession: Mo/	Since Arena.net said their will be no "Uber" items, I don't think there will be too much ebaying. People will still do it, but soon they'll find out that it's not worth it. Arena.net has stated that they want to make a game that valued skill over time played, meaning they shouldn't have some "Super Atomic Bomb Sword" that only people who have played 999 hours can obtain.

Apr 07, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40	#3
Kityn Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Guild: Heroes of the Horn [HoH] Profession: N/	GW is Arenanets baby.I really don't think ebaying will be rampant as it is with other games.

Apr 07, 2005, 01:11 AM // 01:11	#5
Zfactor Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NYC Guild: Freelance Profession: Mo/E	There is no such thing as a game with no "uber" drops. The most rare drop is by nature the uber drop.

Apr 07, 2005, 01:34 AM // 01:34	#8
Taranis Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005	Do you guys even know that "??ber" is german and means Over?? Every MMORPG(yet CORPG) got ebay'ers, even if they're just selling accounts...

Apr 07, 2005, 02:37 AM // 02:37	#10
Xellos Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No Idea	My rare axe has +1 energy on hit, but only -20 health. Uber right there for you.

Apr 07, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49	#13
Xellos Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No Idea	I doubt uber items can be just "found" or "sold" to you. They are uber for a reason.

Apr 07, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59	#14
Inde Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2004	As it stands, the demand to shortcut time and simply buy you way up [items, armor, even characters] is always there, and many do it. The simple question is how effective can a company be in combatting it?

Apr 07, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#16
Daemon Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Profession: Mo/W	Guaranteed, it is absolutely, most definitely, obviously going to happen. Heck, who would have thought Britney Spears' gum would go for 10k? But that's not what's in question. We all know it's going to happen. What we don't know is the degree. We know it will be low, as tradition is not the path Guild Wars follows, but how low and how pronounced remains to be seen. Perhaps it's best to not concern yourself with it's fecklessness and just enjoy the game for what it is, and will be.

Apr 07, 2005, 03:46 AM // 03:46	#19
Manderlock Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TX Guild: Crimson ScS Profession: W/N	bah anyone who is so pathetic to spend hard earned money on somthing THAT DOESNT EVEN EXIST has no reason to be alive. theres a heartbeat just nothen in tha noggen, i mean come on i dont care if its the "superduper lightsaber of doom" use your money on somthing worth while